Elsewhere: html5 is a mess
John Allsopp comments on Zeldman’s html5 nav ambiguity resolved.
Visit link: http://www.zeldman.com/2009/07/13/html-5-nav-ambiguity-resolved/#comment-44699
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#1
Ryan Roberts
Great comment from John and much needed input. But why doesn’t he submit these concerns to the WHATWG or HTMLWG through the mailing lists? I don’t have much time for people who are all for complaining in blog articles and comments (forums, twitter… etc) but (appear) not to take it any further than that.
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#2
Julio Loayza
John Allsopp did it :-)
Ryan Roberts: Seriously, would be John’s opinion taken in consideration at all by HTML 5 people bearing in mind it criticizes HTML 5 from its basis?
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#3
Ryan Roberts
If you join or follow the WHATWG and Public-HTML mailing lists you’ll see there is already a lot of criticism and heated discussion amongst the “HTML 5 people”. John Allsopp has some very valid points to make but the only way they’ll be taken into consideration is if Ian Hickson sees them, which he has and he requested John email him or the mailing list with his concerns. I hope he does.
So far I have found Ian to be very approachable and takes time to consider everything he gets. I’ve also been impressed at the way he pops up almost anywhere there is an HTML 5 discussion to correct misconceptions or to take away good suggestions. But he isn’t the only route to having input on the spec, he is simply the most visible and active which I think makes this spec more accessible to ordinary folk than any before it.
I’m just another web developer and so far I’ve found that this isn’t some closed of spec being written by elites, if you have worthwhile input (such as John’s) then it is welcomed and discussed by those involved in developing the spec.
In my opinion the positive aspects of HTML 5 far outweigh the negatives, heck we have another two and a half years to get them sorted so input is vital.
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#4
Julio Loayza
@Ryan: Thanks for your answer. Sorry if I’ve been rude with the “HTML 5” people thing.
It’s just that is hard to believe that Allsopp’s opinion could be taken in consideration, as it’s proposal is not a single improvement but a whole change of mind in an aspect that, I assume, has been considered very well before by the WHATWG.
It’s specially hard to believe when you read something like Ian said. Fix it again? Doh!
Anyways you’re right. If anyone tries to change something, it shall start from inside. But, AFAIK revolutions use to start on the streets :-) And I suppose that the WHATWG people already should know that.
And sure that the positive aspects of HTML 5 are great. But I think that it’s a bit demagogic to say that, and it’s not the point at all.
We are talking about a new standard that will probably work for decades. It should be just perfect. And, if not, it should de almost perfect. As far as I can see there are aspects that are far away from being it. And it’s worrying if I can realize of that, because I’m just another web developer.
@Andy: Sure I do know who you are. I always get confused when I have to link you. It’s not my fault you are not as famous as to be in the wikipedia (disappointing :-() :-)
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